The conjunction of Saturn and Neptune in Pisces


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Hello chicks!!! “The dream of reason produces monsters” says an engraving by Goya.

Everyday life is set aside here: on the side of the concrete, the useful, the known and the controllable, the methodical, the measurable, the remediable. But beyond, far from this security zone limited by the intelligible, lies the vast universe of the extracoridian, the unfathomable, the magical, the beautiful, the sinister.

I have the Moon in Pisces and I grew up facing the sea.

And despite my efforts I never transformed into a water being, but when I swam in the depths, where the bottom is all black and cold, I always had a chance when a fish appeared. Not a fish, because there were already some. But maybe THE BIG FISH; a whale, a claw, a snake, a large piece of seaweed (half an octopus), a monster that was having fun caressing my feet. 🐙

The sea is the natural germ of legends, myths, dreams and nightmares. Because in the sea, the tricks with which we know how to live in the world here don’t work.

Beyond the shore, humanity imagined terrible abysses that brought down ships, phantom currents that swallowed up entire cities and islands. And of course, monsters.

Chthonic and elemental monsters, ancient as the imaginations of the first men and women. A siren whose song seduces until she meets destiny. A serpent that surrounds the waters of the world so that they do not flow, in vibrant silence. The kraken that shakes ships like a rattle. The great mythical whale that shelters the sea people in its belly and disappears into a trance of obligatory reflection.

The deep, the dark, the viscous is still there. And also what is fascinating. The magical. On returning from this journey, heroes and heroines return with the knowledge of the end of the world, of the abyss with all its mystery.

Saturn and Neptune begin to sing a sort of monstrous invocation to the waters that dissolve everything. We are slowly sailing towards the end of the world.

But I suspect that what the mind imagines it will find differs greatly from what it ultimately finds.

Because what happens if, while sailing towards the last sea, we arrive in another world and our vision of the world changes? 💫🌐

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The announced conjunction of Saturn and Neptune under the sign of Pisces takes place between 2024 and 2026. They will also be found under the sign of Aries, but we will devote another post to that.

For now, we could say that the conjunction in Pisces signals the dissolution of a great cycle. Does anyone have the feeling that something has entered a spiral of wear and tear, or that something is leaking and has gone into decay?

By opening ourselves to broader horizons, we might expect that when both enter Aries, they will begin something new that will have an enormous influence on the zeitgeist, marking the rebirth of an illusion – all nor will that which glitters be gold.

Either way, between 2025 and 2026 we will experience two overlapping trends as Saturn and Neptune move in and out of one sign. ♓♈

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In which areas of the chart will the influence of this conjunction be felt, and how?

This conjunction will be felt especially in the area of ​​the birth chart where the second half of Pisces falls, but it will also be strongly felt in the area where the first 10 degrees of Aries fall. If you have significant planets or cusps at the end of mutable signs or the beginning of cardinal signs, these transits will be noticed in a more personal way for you.

Keep in mind that this is an astrological influence orchestrated by very slow planets and will therefore persist over time. Because it simmers, it will surely require retrospective analysis later to fully understand the forces it activates. After all, as with all transits involving Neptune or Pisces, when we are immersed in this influence, it is more difficult to get a full perspective of what we are experiencing.

Of course, in addition to the oceanic time of this transit, between 2024 and 2027 there will also be eclipses in the area of ​​Pisces and Virgo (the first will take place on September 17, 2024). Eclipses in these areas could mark turning points that catalyze different chapters of this story, bringing clarity and direction to the key questions of the moment.

Another key to understanding what this conjunction brings us is to remember and reflect on the very sensitive questions we were going through when Jupiter joined Neptune in April and December 2022. Because, in a way, Saturn now comes to define which of these visions and plans have a real and lasting basis in time, and which are only mere chimeras that will now have to be ceded to the claim of the sea.

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Monk of the sea, Liber de Natura Rerum, Thomas de Cantimpré, 13th century

A combination of historical and social character

Although we can analyze what this conjunction brings on a personal basis, it must be remembered that it is a union of a social planet (Saturn) with a transpersonal planet (Neptune). Thus, the expressions of the two planets will reach their maximum fullness in matters of a collective nature.

Especially on subjects such as: politicians who struggle between supportive and negligent positions, the responsibility of social institutions in the face of the humanitarian consequences of an exhausted model, denial and the crisis of consensus in the relationship to reality. Inflation and fuel, sea and atmosphere, pollution and plastics, trade and borders. Migration, protectionism and xenophobia, dependence and social exclusion, social classes and the divergence of their interests, fear of the privileged in the face of the tide of poverty. Compassion towards other species, emotional management, disenchantment and apathy, drugs and the pharmaceutical world, social discredit and defeatism in the face of the capacity for illusion, renunciation and forgotten dreams, faith in other better worlds, the arts, music and cinema, media responsibility. And much more.

With Saturn and Neptune together in Pisces, the conductor takes over, but it is uncertain whether the performers will play together. If they can do it, it could be magnificent. If they fail to do so, the conductor’s authority will be diluted into inattention, while everyone practices their own melody. Perhaps it’s the fragmentation of sensibility, where each group seems to inhabit a different music. Or the recognition that we are in the same boat, when the sirens anticipate an important change in times.

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Mermaids swimming in the sea. Bestiary. Bodleian Library 764, University of Oxford

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Technical information on the current Saturn-Neptune conjunction in Pisces

Neptune has been in Pisces, its own sign, since 2011. And before leaving it definitively in 2026, since 2021 it has developed an important history with the social planets, Jupiter and Saturn. Although the conjunction of Saturn and Neptune, as such, will be felt in June 2024 and then again throughout 2025, its influence could be said to extend from March 2023 to February 2026.

March 7, 2023 | Saturn enters Pisces
June 29, 2024 | When Saturn reaches just 10º from Neptune, it becomes retrograde
November 15, 2024 | Saturn enters direct (12º Pisces) and returns to Neptune
January 12, 2025 | The North Node enters Pisces, strengthening Neptune
February 20, 2025 | For the first time in decades, they are only 8th. Officially in conjunction
March 30, 2025 | Neptune enters Aries for the first time
May 25, 2025 | Saturn enters Aries, conjunct Neptune
July 5 – 14, 2025 | Neptune (2° Aries) and Saturn (1° Aries) become retrograde
September 2, 2025 | Saturn retrograde returns to Pisces for the last time
October 23, 2025 | Neptune retrograde returns to Pisces for the last time
November 28 / December 10, 2025 | Both enter directly into late Pisces
January 27, 2026 | Neptune permanently enters Aries, where it will remain for 14 years
February 14, 2026 | Saturn permanently enters Aries

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Bird mermaids, Abbey of San Pedro de Arlanza, MNAC

Characteristics of the Saturn-Neptune cycle

Neptune takes 165 years to make a complete revolution around the Sun, while Saturn takes about 29 years. This means that each time Neptune returns to the zodiacal mandala, it will join Saturn approximately 5 times, approximately every 33 years.

For example, between 2024 and 2025 Saturn forms a conjunction at the end of Pisces and the beginning of Aries, and we would have to go back to 1989-1990 to find the previous conjunction, which was in Capricorn. As you can see, since both are slow-moving planets, these conjunctions last at least a year or a year and a half.

Conjunctions of Saturn and Neptune:

1989-1990 | In Capricorn

1952-1953 | In Libra

1917-1918 | In Leo

1882-1883 | In Taurus

1846-1847 | In Aquarius ◀

1809-1810 | In Sagittarius

1773-1774 | In Virgo

1738-1739 | In Cancer

1702-1703 | In Aries

When was the last time Saturn and Neptune met in Pisces?

The last time Saturn and Neptune joined exactly in Pisces (7th) was in 1523. Interestingly, at this time the North Node also joined them in Pisces, as will happen with the conjunction they will make at the end of the year 2025. Just like now, at that time they also had Uranus at the end of Taurus, which makes this astral reference even more exciting.

However, we have yet another more recent historical reference, when Saturn and Neptune transited the sign of Pisces at the same time in 1847 and 1848. And, although Saturn and Neptune united exactly in Aquarius in previous years, while ‘they separated, they slowly changed signs. , and had a broad conjunction in Pisces which had great significance.

In the case of the last great conjunction that they formed in 1847 and 1848, it also happened that Jupiter was found, as will be the case now, between Gemini and Cancer.

So what does it mean to look at these years where this alignment also occurred in Pisces?

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Ulysses and the Sirens. Attic pottery, 480-470 BC, British Museum

Nationalisms or the spring of the people

In the first half of the 19th century, the European economic model underwent major changes, due to the successive independence of the former colonies. This motivated large colonial-style businesses to focus their activity on local markets, monopolizing control and harming small and medium-sized businesses.

Added to this process was the Great Potato Famine, which lasted throughout the 1940s and devastated crops across Europe, causing hunger, poverty and general discontent. All this, added to the inflexible and obsolete political model of the Ancien Régime and absolutist monarchies, triggered, from February 1848, a whole series of nationalist revolutions in different European territories.

These revolutions took place in an industrial context, in which large masses of the population had migrated to the cities, which centralized a significant population density. Furthermore, unlike some previous attempts, these revolutions were able to spread on a continental scale thanks to two technologies: the railway and the telegraph, facilitating for the first time an organized, simultaneous and rapidly developing European revolution.

However, everything ended in huge disappointment, because the revolts were composed of bourgeois and working classes, who had different interests. For example, while the bourgeoisie demanded freedom of the press, the working class had the motto “bread or lead”.

Although it initially succeeded in convincing the various monarchies to give in to their demands and adopt liberal policies, the bourgeoisie eventually joined the upper classes, given its enormous clashes and differences with the working class.

These revolutions involved the end of absolute monarchies in many territories, but ended up consolidating conservative policies, contrary to the initial vision. In particular, the frustrating inability of this revolution to achieve a unified Italy or Germany, as the people wanted, would have consequences later.

Where do we come from? Who are we ? Where are we going? 1897, Paul Gauguin

Bizarre beliefs, chimeras and the religious world

In 1523, a prestigious group of English astrologers predicted a great flood that would devastate London and end the world on February 1 of the following year. At the time of the cataclysm, more than 20,000 people were displaced to avoid the cataclysm.

June 17, 1847 | In Rome, Pope Pius IX issues an encyclical against the abuses of the Church, creating a congregation to care for and monitor the problems of the religious profession.

January 24, 1848 | Gold nuggets are discovered at Sutter’s Mill, California. This will cause many workers to quit their jobs and move to rural areas, hoping to strike it rich with a stroke of luck. Thus begins the gold rush, which is usually dated between 1848 and 1960, and which could be linked to westward expansion and the genesis of the American dream.

California Gold Rush. Poster from 1849

Sciences, pharmacy and medicines

Curiously, in 1523, under the influence of the conjunction of Saturn and Neptune in Pisces, Helena Magenbuch was born in Germany: a pioneering woman who, thanks to the education she received from her pharmacist father, inherited this profession , managing to make a wide name for herself.

1847 | Fry & Sons markets the chocolate bar or bar on a large scale, which until now was consumed by the cup.

November 8, 1847 | After spending much of a year experimenting with ether, Scottish physician James Young Simpson discovered and first used chloroform as an anesthetic during obstetric surgery.

1847 | In Vienna, the surgeon and obstetrician Ignaz Semmelweis proposed a method of hand hygiene which drastically reduced the mortality of parturients coming to the hospital, which earned him the nickname “savior of mothers”.

1847 | The German scientist Hermann von Helmholtz first proposed that energy can neither be created nor destroyed, it is only transformed.

Romanticism

1847 | It is published Wuthering Heightsby the English writer Emily Brontë, under the pseudonym Ellis Bell: “Our only tenderness consists in saying that I am dying of sorrow because I cannot devour you.”

1848 | Alexandre Dumas (son) publishes The Lady of the Camelliasinspired by his own romance with Marie Duplessis, who had died the previous year.

1847 / 1848 | We are fortunate to be able to hear the mood of the times, partially reflected in the classical music of the time. These were great years for romantic music, with premieres by Robert SchumannFranz LisztFrederick Chopinand the new operas of Giuseppe greened. One of the most popular compositions that these years have bequeathed to popular culture is this composition by Johann Strauss. You’ve probably heard it a thousand times. Well, she’s the daughter of Saturn-Neptune in Pisces!

Robert and Clara Schumann in 1847

Fashion, design and arts

1848 | The luxury watch brand Omega was founded in Switzerland and still continues today.

February 18, 1848 | Birth of Louis Comfort Tiffany, Art Nouveau artist and industrial designer, known for Tiffany glass.

June 7, 1848 | Paul Gauguin, post-impressionist painter, known for having abandoned his life in France to settle in Tahiti and developing in his paintings a “wild” and “exotic” – one could also say colonialist and misogynistic – imagery – was born. He was also Van Gogh’s roommate and the grandson of the feminist Flora Tristán!

September 1848 | Holman Hunt, Millais and Rossetti founded the Pre-Raphaelite Brotherhood in London, moving away from the academic canon to develop a more narrative painting, inspired by medieval art, the literary world and religious writings.

OpheliaMillais, 1850

Water, travel, ships and wrecks

May 14, 1847 | After six years traveling the world, HMS Driver, the first steamship to circumnavigate the globe, returns to England.

May 23, 1847 | The first ship of Irish migrants arrives in North America (Canada), beginning a mass migration driven by years of famine. Between May and October of the same year, 38,500 Irish arrived in Toronto. Before this migratory phenomenon, the city had 20,000 inhabitants.

May 24, 1847 | Dee Bridge disaster in England: an iron bridge over which the railway line passed falls and passenger cars fall into the river.

May 27, 1847 | Creation of the German company HAPAG, dedicated to transatlantic transport.

May 31, 1847 | The Ottoman Empire and Persia sign a peace treaty after two centuries of war, establishing the Shat-al-Arab River as their border.

HMS Pilot

Labor movement and proletariat

June 8, 1847 | Britain limits by law the hours of work of women and children under 18, with a gradual reduction over the course of a year, with the aim of reaching 10 hours per day and 58 hours per week.

June 2-9, 1847 | First congress of the League of the Righteous – later called the League of Communists – a revolutionary organization linked to the political activity of Marx and Engels.

February 21, 1848 | Marx and Engels publish the communist manifesto in German, at the request of the League of Communists. The French version will appear in June 1848 and the English version in 1850.

First edition of the Communist Manifesto, London, 1848

Progress toward slavery abolitionism

April 27, 1848 | The definitive abolition of slavery in France is approved.

May 23-27, 1848 | Immediate abolition applies in the French West Indies: Guadeloupe, Guyana, Martinique and Saint-Martin.

Feminists and suffragettes

March 10, 1847 | Kate Sheppard, one of the most famous suffragettes in history, was born in New Zealand and is credited with leading the movement in her country, making New Zealand the first country in the world to approve the right to women’s vote in 1893.

June 10-11, 1847 | Suffragettes Gina Krog (Norway) and Dame Milicent Fawcett (UK) were born one day apart.

July 19-20, 1848 | The first American women’s rights convention is held in New York, organized by Elisabeth Cady Stanton and Lucretia Mott. As a result of this meeting, they issued the Seneca Falls Declaration, or Declaration of Sentiments. Each statement is accompanied by the entry: “WE DECIDE”. An interesting text, which offers a historical perspective on the path traveled by women.

Kate Sheppard, New Zealand suffragist, depicted in 1905

And that’s all for now, thanks for coming this far!

A big hug, chichis!!!

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